Friday, March 23, 2007

21/7 and 7/7 'links'...

Hmm, so this particular jury is allowed to be told about possible links between the men they are trying and the 7/7 bombers...interesting.

One of the 21/7 alleged bombers has turned rat on the rest of the gang. Yesterday's Evening Standard front page was '21/7 BOMB PLOT WAS BIGGER THAN 7/7' and the disclosure that Manfo Asiedo, one of the defendants had changed his defence and was now alleging that Muktar Ibrahim ( the buck-toothed fat-faced one caught in his pants on the roof of a flat on live TV in 2005) had booby-trapped the North London flat the bombs were made in in order to kill police who investigated at the address, and that the bombs taken onto public transport were not fake as the defence alleges, but real. Now today the court heard of links between the July plotters.

'' cross-examination, Stephen Kamlish QC, counsel for co-accused Manfo Asiedu, alleged Mr Ibrahim had spent two months in Pakistan at the same time as Mohammed Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer. He further alleged that the men had met and jointly conspired to organise a bombing campaign, with the two separate attacks to both use the same kind of rucksack bomb [...]

When the authorities analysed the explosives that Mr Ibrahim is accused of making for the alleged 21 July attack, they realised that they had only seen them once before, alleged Mr Kamlish - on 7 July 2005. [...]

"The only two occasions on which the authorities in this country had ever come across an improvised explosive device made from hydrogen peroxide and an organic substance was the 7th of July and the 21st of July," replied the lawyer, referring to expert testimony from earlier in the trial.
"Yes," Ibrahim replied.
"There is a question mark whether or not the only two ever-known bombs made from hydrogen peroxide are the 7/7 and 21/7 bombs. You were in Pakistan at the same time [as Khan and Tanweer]. You see the coincidence, don't you?"
Ibrahim replied: "When you say this fact, yes."

BBC report

Same recipe. TATP detonator, hydrogen peroxide, organic matter. Seasoned flour in one lot. Pepper in another. It's rather hard not to make the link, isn't it?

The trial continues. Well, the next few weeks are going to be busy.

I can't see why the recent arrest and questioning of three men in connnection with 7/7 will have any impact on the expected impending revelation of further facts about 7/7. The revelation of further detail about 7/7 is in the public interest. Indeed, I hope that the questioning is fruitful and helps us all get the answers we are waiting for, as soon as possible.

Fingers crossed.

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Blogger not_saussure said...

Well, yes. They're allowed to be told about it as part of the court proceedings rather than by newspapers. Don't see what's so odd about that.

March 23, 2007 8:26 pm  
Blogger xoggoth said...

The defence that it was all just a protest are pretty ludicrous. Anyone wishing to protest in that way would surely just use a couple of bangers wrapped in paper or something, not the real McCoy that would land them in hot water.

I suspect the failure was just incompetence. I can't really see how you can concentrate H2O2 solution by "boiling it down" as stated, heat decomposes it fairly rapidly, especially if it's contaminated.

The recent tests of TATP shown on TV clearly show heat and flame although TATP is not supposed to do that according to Wikipaedia. Kills a good conspiracy theory anyway!

March 24, 2007 3:17 pm  
Blogger Rachel said...

TATP is the detonator, the explosive is concentrated HP and organic matter ( flour in 21/7) to stabilise it.

March 24, 2007 4:08 pm  
Blogger Ian said...

What I am unhappy about is the way the court evidence is presented to the media immediately after the day's proceedings. Is this normally the case? Does it not influence the jury with all the comment?

March 25, 2007 3:34 pm  

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